Scientists reported interesting findings about Mars this week, and for a change the news didn't involve the landers Phoenix, Spirit, or Opportunity.

The first report comes from Mars Odyssey, which has been in orbit there since October 2001, and revives the idea that a vast expanse of water once covered up to a third of the Red Planet's surface. Roughly 10 times the size of the Mediterranean Sea, this alien ocean would have occupied much of the northern half of Mars, which is smooth, flat, and low lying — in stark contrast to heavily cratered highlands in the south.

In the late 1980s Timothy Parker, a Mars specialist at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, turned up what appeared to be vestiges of ancient shorelines in Viking images. But the details were subtle and furtive, and enthusiasm for a paleo-ocean waned over the years as higher-resolution images from later spacecraft revealed little where Parker had looked.

But now scientists from the University of Arizona and elsewhere report that there might be something to the ocean idea after all. Again the evidence is subtle — nothing so obvious as gigantic seashells — emerging from geochemical signatures of the rocks themselves. Based on a global survey of elemental abundances compiled by Odyssey's gamma-ray spectrometer, there seems to be more potassium, thorium and iron in the putative ancient seabed than in the higher terrain that surrounds it.

Why should that be the case? James M. Dohm (University of Arizona), who led the work, explains in a press release that these three elements should be more concentrated within seafloor sediments because water flowing out of the southern highlands would have leached the elements from planet's ancient crust.

These days most planetary scientists think Mars has been in a bone-dry deep freeze for most of its history. Yet the planet does have plenty of water stashed away as ice. Victor Baker, one of Dohm's Arizona coauthors, has long argued that Mars has been sporadically wet and warm, but he's failed to sway most other scientists.

Is the jury still out in "The Case of the Martian Ocean"? Let's see what kind of reaction ensues when the Mars Odyssey work appears in a forthcoming issue of Planetary and Space Science.

Meanwhile, more detective work by orbital spacecraft reveals that that a glacier's worth of ice appears to lie just under a thin veneer of topsoil. This finding wouldn't ordinarily be news — after all, Phoenix landed atop a thinly disguised slab of frozen water, and previous work suggests that buried ice likely extends for hundreds of miles beyond both of the planet's polar caps.

However, an article appearing in today's issue of Science argues that glaciers of ice also lie buried lie near the giant basin Hellas at a southern latitude of 45° — much closer to the planet's equator than previously thought possible.

The stealthy glaciers were revealed by radar soundings from NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter. Tens of miles long and and up to a half mile (1 km) thick, they're probably remnants from an ice sheet covering the planet's middle latitudes during colder climes. Since then they've been capped by a layer of dusty debris, which insulated them from direct sunlight.

You'll find a nice summary of the Science paper, written by John W. Holt (University of Texas at Austin) and 11 others, in this online press release. Detailed images of the suspected glaciers (and a 97-megabyte animation) are here.